"So Benny and mcfly how is it ok that boma gets a pass that he was getting lied too (and does nothing) "

Until you learn to spell words such as "to" and "too" as they meant to be spelled, your writing will remain unintelligible.

Any chance I can get a summary of what happened, what's happening now, and what you think will happen in the future? I've been trying to follow along on your threads since this went down but I've missed a lot of it. Thanks.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nn20120321f2.html

No. 1 long way from being out of the woods
Kyodo
A year after the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant was ravaged by an earthquake and tsunami, the challenge of keeping the facility under control continues, and does so without a clear picture of what is actually happening inside the three crippled reactors.

The country is also groping for ways to clean the vast radiation-contaminated areas outside the plant, located about 220 km northeast of Tokyo, but securing places to store even topsoil after removal is not easy, given the opposition of communities beyond the fallout areas.

The nuclear crisis started shortly after the March 11 natural disasters led to the loss of nearly all of Fukushima No. 1's power sources, and consequently the ability to cool the reactors and spent fuel pools.

Reactors 1, 2 and 3 suffered core meltdowns and the buildings housing reactors 1, 3 and 4 were ripped apart by explosions presumably caused by hydrogen released from the cores of units 1 through 3.

Following a painstaking process to contain the world's worst nuclear crisis since the 1986 Chernobyl disaster, the government announced in December that the plant had achieved a stable state of cold shutdown.

But the fact that no one knows precisely what has happened inside the reactors and where the melted nuclear fuel is located means there is still great uncertainty over the complex's status.

Most recently, tensions grew in February over the status of reactor 2 after readings on one of its thermometers showed a notable rise, in a possible sign that there may be some trouble in cooling the fuel.

While Tokyo Electric Power Co. determined that the thermometer, a thermal-couple device, was broken, the incident highlighted the need for the utility to enhance the credibility of its system for monitoring the reactors.

"We should take this problem in the measuring equipment seriously," nuclear disaster minister Goshi Hosono told a news conference on Feb. 14. "Given that work toward scrapping the reactors is expected to take 30 to 40 years, it is extremely unfavorable to see a situation in which the utility cannot obtain data."

According to a step-by-step plan for decommissioning the reactors, Tepco will start removing the fuel stored in the spent fuel pools of reactors 1 through 4 within two years and the fuel from the cores of reactors 1, 2 and 3 within 10 years.

Tadashi Narabayashi, a Hokkaido University professor, called on the utility to swiftly create "criteria and a monitoring system to judge whether the cold shutdown condition has been maintained," using the readings of properly functioning thermometers and the amount of radioactive substances released from the reactor buildings.

He also pointed to the need to develop robots within five years that can operate inside the reactors, where radiation levels could be high enough to quickly destroy integrated circuits, so that they can carry out work such as installing new temperature-monitoring equipment.

In addition to the melted fuel, due attention is needed in handling the massive amounts of contaminated water created as a result of constant water injection into the stricken reactors.

After being used to cool the reactors, the water goes through a processing facility so that radioactive substances are removed to a certain extent. Some of the water is then recycled as a coolant and the remaining portion is placed in tanks at the site.

The makeshift water circulation systems have suffered various problems, including weather-related glitches. The shoreline plant is also still vulnerable to further quakes and tsunami.

But the storage capacity is eventually expected to run short, raising the possibility that Tepco may resort to dumping low-level radioactive water in the Pacific Ocean, a plan the utility said it was considering in December but gave up on due to opposition from the fishing industry.

Outside the plant's premises, work to reduce the contamination level of land detected to have an annual exposure dose of 1 millisievert or more, excluding from natural sources, is scheduled to accelerate in eight prefectures in the Tohoku region.

Accurate information is difficult to come by, since official releases are highly redacted, if they're released at all.

The situation on the ground is stable, but other than that, barely moving forward. The area will be contaminated for many generations.

Oh I don't endorse it either and think that complete honesty and transparency is ESSENTIAL for Gov't etc.... (and that is the one thing that pisses me off about Obama's handling of The Gulf/BP thing) But, you do have to take all things into consideration however. is it better to have people live for 20 yrs or alter the region's history by having 2 million or more people swimming for it? Mass hysteria.

Gotta think about the scenario.Right after the tsunami, following a major earthquake...The Premier comes on the TV and tells the populace.."SWIM FOR IT".......Or words to that effect.
I gotta good friend f mine who is married to a US marine and they are being stationed in Japan "not far from Fuku" (according to daddy). Dude is freaking out cuz he is one of the people that is following all this.

mt

http://fairewinds.com/content/tokyo-soil-samples-would-be-considered-nuclear-waste-us

While traveling in Japan several weeks ago, Fairewinds’ Arnie Gundersen took soil samples in Tokyo public parks, playgrounds, and rooftop gardens. All the samples would be considered nuclear waste if found here in the US. This level of contamination is currently being discovered throughout Japan. At the US NRC Regulatory Information Conference in Washington, DC March 13 to March 15, the NRC's Chairman, Dr. Gregory Jaczko emphasized his concern that the NRC and the nuclear industry presently do not consider the costs of mass evacuations and radioactive contamination in their cost benefit analysis used to license nuclear power plants. Furthermore, Fairewinds believes that evacuation costs near a US nuclear plant could easily exceed one trillion dollars and contaminated land would be uninhabitable for generations.

exactly what I was talking about above.

THe piss off is that we don't need to do it. We arre doing it to keep energy companies in business. Build a power plant in Vegas? Fuck, PUT FUCKING ROOFTOP ON EVERY FUCKING BUILDING THERE.

Power your cars with electricity and cut the fucking energy companies out of the equation. Or at least keep the status quo..

Why power generators are terrified of solar--electricity dramatically cheaper in SOLAR Germany

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This is a pretty good indication of how our energy debate in America is driven by oil, gas, and coal public relations bullshit not reality.

While our government has been licking around the edges of alternative energy and politely nodding when oil company execs tell us it's not cost competitive yet, Germany has jumped into it in a big way.

The result?

The peak price of electricity over the course of a day dropped 40%, and 25% of their gas generators may be closed.

Why are we still talking about deep water drilling and pipelines for tar sand and shale oil, which are a half step above turning coal into gasoline? Because only big money can drill oil or turn asphalt into usable fuel, so they can control the supply and therefore price. Once PV's are in place, it's a hell of a lot harder to explain price fluctuations when the ''fuel,'' the sun rays, are constant.

Obama is doing more on this than past presidents, but we need to catch up to Germany, and the sooner we do, the less of a stranglehold big oil will have on our economy and foreign policy, and the harder it will be for power companies to blackmail us for billions and even turn out the lights as they did here in California at the beginning of the Bush administration.

We need to demand that our government get out in front, not just in research and demonstration projects, but in getting these kinds of power plants online and displacing fossil fuel NOW.

Tell the White House and your corrupt Congress critters to build it fast and build it NOW.


The first graph illustrates what a typical day on the electricity market in Germany looked like in March four years ago; the second illustrates what is happening now, with 25GW of solar PV installed across the country. Essentially, it means that solar PV is not just licking the cream off the profits of the fossil fuel generators — as happens in Australia with a more modest rollout of PV — it is in fact eating their entire cake.

http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/03/27/why-generators-are-terrified-of-solar/

Think it's time for my Viable Plan to Contain Fukushima to go in effect yet?


Sounds like they have no idea how they're going to do it.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/A-Viable-Plan-for-Emergency-Containment-at-Fukushima-Support-this-Campaign/182248908488523

http://otb.newsvine.com/_news/2011/05/17/6664706-fukushima-daiichi-a-problem-worth-solving



High radiation means delays in decommissioning crippled Fukushima reactors
March 28, 2012

By HIDENORI TSUBOYA/ Staff Writer
The decommissioning process at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant faces a further obstacle after Tokyo Electric Power Co. said radiation readings in the containment vessel of the No. 2 reactor were at fatal levels on March 27.

It said readings were detected as high as 72.9 sieverts per hour, which would be fatal to humans in the event of a leak.

That is also enough to affect electronics in robots or other remote-controlled equipment used to probe the reactor ahead of final decommissioning.

http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaster/fukushima/AJ201203280034

And the Media finally decides to report on the story:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/30/world/asia/japan-admits-nuclear-plant-still-poses-dangers.html?_r=1

Japan Admits Nuclear Plant Still Poses Dangers
By HIROKO TABUCHI
Published: March 29, 2012

TOKYO — The damage to the core of at least one of the meltdown-stricken reactors at Fukushima could be far worse than previously thought, raising fresh concerns over the plant’s stability and gravely complicating the post-disaster cleanup, a recent internal investigation has shown.


The results of the inquiry, released this week by the operator of the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant, also cast doubt over the Japanese government’s declaration three months ago that the ravaged site is now under control.

Throughout the crisis that ensued after a powerful earthquake and tsunami last March, both the plant’s operator, Tokyo Electric Power, or Tepco, and the government were accused of playing down the dangers posed by the nuclear meltdown. Subsequent disclosures that the event was indeed far more severe than they let on have badly damaged their credibility, to the point that almost any statement from the authorities is now regarded as suspect by a dubious Japanese public.

Fukushima Daiichi’s vital cooling systems were knocked out in the early stages of the crisis last year. The uranium cores at three of the plant’s six reactors quickly melted down, breaching their containment vessels and triggering a massive radiation leak.

i agree.

from what i have read at my last link 1 and 3 are worse. so bad they cannot get in there and find out how bad. at 2 seven minutes of exposure equals death. that would be inside the containment i suppose but the guy doing the endoscopy is probably getting a serious fucking dose regardless. we're fucked. one of the articles from that site said that new technology would have to be developed to begin addressing the real issues. otherwise every task is a suicide mission. we're fucked and the Japanese are more fucked and the government still hasn't told them get out.

and the best part is that its getting worse.

but they wont and thats the problem. i'm with you but until they are we have this gaping nuclear wound poisoning the entire earth. i dont give a shit how low the dose is we are better off without it.

there are parents in japan telling their children not to have children because of the birth defects that are guaranteed.

this shit is sad and the japanese government says things to the effect of "those that are concerned should be forced to clean radiation to show them that it isn't dangerous." utter insanity. children are cleaning up radioactive soil at schools. there is no compassion from the government.

it seems our only chance is for someone to forcefully take over this situation. so that a plan like yours can be implemented.

oh this thread again?