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» jsilv87 Tue Feb 07, 2012 02:56 PM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
but yes at the same time there are in infinite amount of things to experience and learn
» weforgottenuno Wed Feb 08, 2012 02:20 AM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
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weforgettenuno,

Since you seemed to be the most informed person in this thread what do you feel about determinism and free will?

Do you honestly believe our lives were completely mapped out for us billions of years ago? Do you honestly believe we have no say in the direction of our lives?

I would argue against hard determinism. Just because we can predict the motion of the planets or how a dice may fall that doesn't tell us that our lives are completely determined.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on the matter.


I don't believe in hard determinism, and I don't believe in free will either.

At a fundamental level the laws of physics are probabilistic - in most situations we can at best say what the probability of each outcome is, and cannot predict (even in principle with the most accurate possible information about our starting conditions) which of the possible outcomes will occur.

So if our body (and therefore our brain, and therefore our mind) is built out of the same kinds of matter obeying the same laws of physics as everything else, as it appears to be, then there's no room for free will. At best our decisions are quasi-random (like a computer that executes some logical process but has some randomness too), assuming quantum mechanics is even relevant, and at worst the quantum fluctuations simply aren't large enough to affect the macroscopic qualitative behavior, even if they do cause some electrons to jiggle about unpredictably.

In either case I don't see any room for free will.

The notion of free will relies on some sort of abstract ego that is separate from the brain and body, and yet interacts with it some how, but we simply don't see any evidence for such a thing. There's gravity, electroweak, and strong interactions. There's no "soul" interaction.
» Cornchi (OP) • Wed Feb 08, 2012 02:31 AM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
Can anyone make a strong scientific case that there is no infinity? It's not that I want to throw anything in anyone's face, it just seems this thread is gaining consensus that there is infinity. I am believing right now.

Any good counter arguments?
» Tiger6161 Wed Feb 08, 2012 02:36 AM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
http://documentarystorm.com/to-infinity-and-beyond/
» Tiger6161 Wed Feb 08, 2012 02:39 AM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
Watch that documentary ^. Really cool stuff
» OTBYWB Wed Feb 08, 2012 02:42 AM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
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there are an infinite number of points / fractions between 1 and 2


So where does one end and two begin if they exist? Or does that mean that infinity does not exist?


One usually ends at Antelope, and two usually begins at DWD.
» Cornchi (OP) • Wed Feb 08, 2012 03:17 AM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
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Watch that documentary ^. Really cool stuff


That is a great video. I just finished part four. Will comment when I see the whole thing. Infinite hotel rooms and monkey's typing Shakespeare are great.
» outlawjosie Wed Feb 08, 2012 04:16 AM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
our local universe is not infinite its like a bubble surrounded by many other bubble universes.beyond that who knows so for now thats infinite as we know it.some people claim that our universe started with a least four other universes and can detected the radiation rements from these universes. we will never be able to study these places because they are separate from us now. just saying. look it up.
» bassalone Wed Feb 08, 2012 07:12 AM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
http://www.amazon.com/Everything-More-Compact-Infinity-Discoveries/dp/0393003388

http://www.amazon.com/Mystery-Aleph-Mathematics-Kabbalah-Infinity/dp/0743422996/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1328703058&sr=1-2

and while you're at it:

http://www.amazon.com/Nothing-that-Natural-History-Zero/dp/0195142373/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1328702999&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Drunkards-Walk-Randomness-Rules-Vintage/dp/0307275175/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1328703040&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Entanglement-Amir-Aczel/dp/0452284570/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_c

http://www.amazon.com/Gods-Equation-Einstein-Relativity-Expanding/dp/0385334850/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b
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