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» PSUJam24 (OP) • Tue Nov 06, 2012 04:26 PM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
from the YCMTSU department.....

Let's recall the NAACP urging the UN to investigate US voted ID laws back in March.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/14/un-delves-into-us-voter-id-laws/

and for the ad hominem idiots:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/03/09/148291825/the-fight-over-voter-id-laws-goes-to-the-united-nations
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/09/naacp-un-voter-disfranchisement-us

This is of course the UN, whose members include countries that don't even allow women to vote.... but hey!! Who's keeping score?

Now, international UN-appointed officials here observing the elections are "amazed" at the US voting system which requires no voter ID and depends entirely on trust.
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/11/06/foreign_election_officials_amazed_by_trust_based_us_voting_system

Well, at least one good thing out of the UN inspectors being here are the anti-ID people getting self'd.

Pure gold.
» surrendertotheflow4 Tue Nov 06, 2012 04:30 PM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
It would be one thing if the ID law was already in place for years, or was grandfathered in so that the lederly were not discriminated against, but that was not the case. Grandma and granpa who are both 90 and have not ever had a valid drivers license or simply have an expired one do not have the way or means, much less the need to go get that ID. That is the problem.
» Dr_Throckmorton Tue Nov 06, 2012 04:34 PM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
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It would be one thing if the ID law was already in place for years, or was grandfathered in so that the lederly were not discriminated against, but that was not the case. Grandma and granpa who are both 90 and have not ever had a valid drivers license or simply have an expired one do not have the way or means, much less the need to go get that ID. That is the problem.


fucking preposterous hypothetical. moron
» surrendertotheflow4 Tue Nov 06, 2012 04:35 PM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
great input. dumbass.
» coventryglidepwns Tue Nov 06, 2012 04:37 PM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
my poll tax threads
» tmwsiy71 Tue Nov 06, 2012 04:37 PM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
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Originally Posted by PSUJam24

Well, at least one good thing out of the UN inspectors being here are the anti-ID people getting self'd.

Pure gold.


As well as the Anti-UN people getting self'd by suddenly relying on the UN to prove themselves.
» zappafrank Tue Nov 06, 2012 04:37 PM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
Why can't everyone be registered to vote when they are born? Should be an automatic thing. Pretty easy.
» PSUJam24 (OP) • Tue Nov 06, 2012 04:38 PM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
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It would be one thing if the ID law was already in place for years, or was grandfathered in so that the lederly were not discriminated against, but that was not the case. Grandma and granpa who are both 90 and have not ever had a valid drivers license or simply have an expired one do not have the way or means, much less the need to go get that ID. That is the problem.


I understand that, but when will this never be the case? People don't stop getting old. I could see grandfathering the clause in, but that only creates a logistical/administrative nightmare for poll workers to enforce.

These 98 year old grandmoms that were born in some other state and dont have a verifiable birth certificate will very quickly be a relic of the past... no one can operate in this modern era without an ID, and that is a fact.

We're the only industrialized nation in the world that doesn't require voter ID. You know, because of the poor. Mexico doesn't have any poor people.

Back to the hypocrisy highlighted in the OP..... Wonder what is so shocking to the UN now that wasn't so shocking when they investigated the laws back in the spring? Should any country that is lower on the human rights scorecard have any right to tell us anything?
» Boo143 Tue Nov 06, 2012 04:38 PM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
they dipped my finger in ink!
» francisco_d_anconia Tue Nov 06, 2012 04:39 PM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
It really is pretty amazing we don't require ID to vote in person.
» squats Tue Nov 06, 2012 04:39 PM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
suddenly conservatives think the UN is a respected institution that we should be listening to?

YCMTSU indeed.
» coventryglidepwns Tue Nov 06, 2012 04:40 PM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
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It really is pretty amazing we don't require ID to vote in person.


lol no
» PSUJam24 (OP) • Tue Nov 06, 2012 04:40 PM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
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Well, at least one good thing out of the UN inspectors being here are the anti-ID people getting self'd.

Pure gold.


As well as the Anti-UN people getting self'd by suddenly relying on the UN to prove themselves.


so you're for voter ID?

that was easy. glad you get it now.

anyone else?
» Captain_Kidd Tue Nov 06, 2012 04:40 PM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
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suddenly conservatives think the UN is a respected institution that we should be listening to?

YCMTSU indeed.
» PSUJam24 (OP) • Tue Nov 06, 2012 04:41 PM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
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Why can't everyone be registered to vote when they are born? Should be an automatic thing. Pretty easy.


Seems easy to me too.

Try Sweden and Australia on for size:
http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/countries-easier-vote-united-states/story?id=17625616#.UJl9g8WHLTo

Still need an ID to back up who you say you are.
» Dr_Throckmorton Tue Nov 06, 2012 04:42 PM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
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Originally Posted by francisco_d_anconia
It really is pretty amazing we don't require ID to vote in person.


no doubt. i don't care what the UN says, there should be a law requiring ID to vote.
» coventryglidepwns Tue Nov 06, 2012 04:42 PM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
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Why can't everyone be registered to vote when they are born? Should be an automatic thing. Pretty easy.


Seems easy to me too.

Try Sweden and Australia on for size:
http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/countries-easier-vote-united-states/story?id=17625616#.UJl9g8WHLTo

Still need an ID to back up who you say you are.


no you dont. why is a plastic card with your photo the only way to identify someone nowadays
» PSUJam24 (OP) • Tue Nov 06, 2012 04:43 PM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
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suddenly conservatives think the UN is a respected institution that we should be listening to?

YCMTSU indeed.


so you are also for voter ID? chalk up another one.

this is why we create these threads phanners. spreading the knowledge.
» fabutzio Tue Nov 06, 2012 04:43 PM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
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Why can't everyone be registered to vote when they are born? Should be an automatic thing. Pretty easy.
let me just sign up joe foreigner from a country outside US. I mean he should know later in his life that he will be an american citizen.
» it_all_falls_down Tue Nov 06, 2012 04:44 PM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
with us the un is just a bunch of faggots with nothing
» squats Tue Nov 06, 2012 04:44 PM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
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suddenly conservatives think the UN is a respected institution that we should be listening to?

YCMTSU indeed.


so you are also for voter ID? chalk up another one.

this is why we create these threads phanners. spreading the knowledge.



I will be all for voter IDs when it's shown that it will prevent approximately 10X more voter fraud than deny legal voters their Constitutionally protected right to vote.

As of yet I have not seen any kind of evidence that it will actually stop voter fraud. It just seems like a solution looking for a problem.
» Dr_Throckmorton Tue Nov 06, 2012 04:44 PM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
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Originally Posted by zappafrank
Why can't everyone be registered to vote when they are born? Should be an automatic thing. Pretty easy.


Seems easy to me too.

Try Sweden and Australia on for size:
http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/countries-easier-vote-united-states/story?id=17625616#.UJl9g8WHLTo

Still need an ID to back up who you say you are.


no you dont. why is a plastic card with your photo the only way to identify someone nowadays


because of the controls in place to obtain that piece of plastic? did you really just ask that?
» poop_smells Tue Nov 06, 2012 04:44 PM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
YMCMB
» surrendertotheflow4 Tue Nov 06, 2012 04:46 PM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
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Why can't everyone be registered to vote when they are born? Should be an automatic thing. Pretty easy.


because as americans we have a right to not ever register to vote, which thern means (in certain areas) that we would never be chosen for Jury Duty either.
» bigtoddy420 Tue Nov 06, 2012 04:46 PM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
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We're the only industrialized nation in the world that doesn't require voter ID.



I'm also pretty sure we're the only industrialized nation that doesn't have a national holiday for voting.
» PSUJam24 (OP) • Tue Nov 06, 2012 04:47 PM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
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Originally Posted by PSUJam24
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Originally Posted by zappafrank
Why can't everyone be registered to vote when they are born? Should be an automatic thing. Pretty easy.


Seems easy to me too.

Try Sweden and Australia on for size:
http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/countries-easier-vote-united-states/story?id=17625616#.UJl9g8WHLTo

Still need an ID to back up who you say you are.


no you dont. why is a plastic card with your photo the only way to identify someone nowadays


oh, we're gonna play this game?

retina scans? fingerprints? a super-secret pass-phrase that only legally eligible and registered voters know when they receive their decoder ring in the mail a week before the election?

im spent. how else do you ID someone in person besides their unique physical characteristics?
» PSUJam24 (OP) • Tue Nov 06, 2012 04:48 PM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
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Back to the hypocrisy highlighted in the OP..... Wonder what is so shocking to the UN now that wasn't so shocking when they investigated the laws back in the spring?

Should any country that is lower on the human rights scorecard have any right to tell us anything?
» squats Tue Nov 06, 2012 04:48 PM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
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We're the only industrialized nation in the world that doesn't require voter ID.



I'm also pretty sure we're the only industrialized nation that doesn't have a national holiday for voting.


also the only industrialized w/out universal healthcare for our citizens

also the only industrialized that still executes criminals.
» bonerpiss Tue Nov 06, 2012 04:49 PM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
lolUN
» PSUJam24 (OP) • Tue Nov 06, 2012 04:56 PM Process-stop Flag_blue Delete_user Mail-reply-sender Ip Quote
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I will be all for voter IDs when it's shown that it will prevent approximately 10X more voter fraud than deny legal voters their Constitutionally protected right to vote.

As of yet I have not seen any kind of evidence that it will actually stop voter fraud. It just seems like a solution looking for a problem.


talking points'd

only industrialized nation in the world that doesn't require a voter ID. did you read the article?

international officials from countries that vote with marbles are astounded at our voting system and the trust that is implied across tens of millions of people. most advanced country in the world, and we're voting our leaders in with a glorified game of 7-up.

the idea is to prove that you are who you say you are and the vote you're about to cast is eligible, not prove that youre not someone else. understand?

IDs are required for everything for a reason. Identity theft is a huge problem. Agreed?

Yet, apparently, steering the course of our nation for 320million people with your vote isn't quite as much of a concern as buying cigarettes or renting a hotel room.
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