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Somebody who was on England's Heroin Maintenance program said this,
"I used to take 150mgs a day in 6-7 shots.I saw my consultant once every 3-4 months and would pick up twice a week from my pharmacist.
Diamorphine kept me alive and out of jail,but in the end it's still a habit-just a more civilised way of getting wasted I guess. "
"I used to take 150mgs a day in 6-7 shots.I saw my consultant once every 3-4 months and would pick up twice a week from my pharmacist.
Diamorphine kept me alive and out of jail,but in the end it's still a habit-just a more civilised way of getting wasted I guess. "
like i said i didnt realize this conversaton was anything other than providing people with clean dope and clean needles.
i dont feel there is a need to have a heroin maintenance plan for people who are sick. suboxone and mathadone work just as fine.
and i do bleive that the people on the heroin maintenance plan have nothing but poisitive things to say about the program because they are getting their daily fix for free.
since this conversation is a 5 against one type of thing as per usual im out.
i guess i retract everything i said and i dont know anything about heroin use, maintenance programs and any thing else that was mentioned above
i dont feel there is a need to have a heroin maintenance plan for people who are sick. suboxone and mathadone work just as fine.
and i do bleive that the people on the heroin maintenance plan have nothing but poisitive things to say about the program because they are getting their daily fix for free.
since this conversation is a 5 against one type of thing as per usual im out.
i guess i retract everything i said and i dont know anything about heroin use, maintenance programs and any thing else that was mentioned above
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Originally Posted by little_laiii i guess i retract everything i said and i dont know anything about heroin use, maintenance programs and any thing else that was mentioned above |
so you are capable of taking back things you said? weird
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Originally Posted by vdbgti Somebody who was on England's Heroin Maintenance program said this,
"I used to take 150mgs a day in 6-7 shots.I saw my consultant once every 3-4 months and would pick up twice a week from my pharmacist. Diamorphine kept me alive and out of jail,but in the end it's still a habit-just a more civilised way of getting wasted I guess. " |
This is very interesting to me, how can pharmacists just give out diamorphine to Heroin addicts? Wouldn't the potential for abuse be too much? I tried to look up some more information on this, but couldn't find much.
Does anyone know if they just give you prescriptions for it and let you go on your way or if you have to shoot up at a safe injection site they have set up? If people can just get prescription Heroin at a pharmacy I don't see this working at all. However, if it was closely monitored and not abused I feel it could actually help some people out.
lol they dont even give diamorphine in the hospital to addicts even if they really need it.
you cant compare other countried to the US
you cant compare other countried to the US
My Nasty veins psshh I used needles when I was at my worst( shudders) for about 2 months never fucked my veins I snorted it a lot more (cuz it was the raw)so when I shot it was heaven..I stopped using about 2 years ago and FuCk You u know it all piece of shit..like for real..would u really say that to me in person..cuz if u did I would knock your pig face out and feed you to my fearsome cat..he will slay you bitch
ThAt was to lai
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Originally Posted by little_laiii lol they dont even give diamorphine in the hospital to addicts even if they really need it.
you cant compare other countried to the US |
I'm not talking about the US, like I said I don't think the US would even think about allowing this.
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Originally Posted by AsTrO_RoCkz My Nasty veins psshh I used needles when I was at my worst( shudders) for about 2 months never fucked my veins I snorted it a lot more (cuz it was the raw)so when I shot it was heaven..I stopped using about 2 years ago and FuCk You u know it all piece of shit..like for real..would u really say that to me in person..cuz if u did I would knock your pig face out and feed you to my fearsome cat..he will slay you bitch |
RAWR LOOK AT ME!!! I USED TO DO THE BEST DOPE! IM SO TOUGH!
Its just interesting to me they have actually tried this in other countries and it has actually worked. Who would have thought we would actually have prescription Heroin in other countries? Crazy.
How would prescribed heroin have more potential for abuse than street heroin? Not to mention all the risk of copping, dealing with unsavory folk and receiving adulterated product is gone. Another good article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/5043766.stm
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Originally Posted by mr_lad Quote:
not everyone can take suboxone or methadone due to medical complications ie adverse reactions or other medications they are currently on. and there are plenty of people wanting/trying to get better who cannot take either of those, yet they have been doing street drugs for so long that their brains are changed to a point where they cannot cope w/o something. many people want to get better but cannot due to genetic predisposition and maybe financial issues. a government program would help these people |
If there is a problem where you cannot take either suboxone or subutex because of allergies or w/e....then you just plain should not do drugs in general. a program providing "clean heroin" to people would not help at all. i dont understand how people think this type of program would work. ya, people might stop getting dope from the street, but in the end its all the same. your new drug dealer is the bomb, he will never rob you, give you short bags, cut your dope and he is always on time....because its a fucking place ran by the government! creating something like this would create alot of users as well as maybe help some from getting heroin off the street completely. think about it, i would LOVE to score some opiates right now, but because of where i live, there is no drugs of any kind in sight. but if some place gave out free doses of heroin, i would be high as a kite right now.
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Originally Posted by AsTrO_RoCkz My Nasty veins psshh I used needles when I was at my worst( shudders) for about 2 months never fucked my veins I snorted it a lot more (cuz it was the raw)so when I shot it was heaven..I stopped using about 2 years ago and FuCk You u know it all piece of shit..like for real..would u really say that to me in person..cuz if u did I would knock your pig face out and feed you to my fearsome cat..he will slay you bitch |
lol you are a piece of shit.
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Originally Posted by hoodnig [
If there is a problem where you cannot take either suboxone or subutex because of allergies or w/e....then you just plain should not do drugs in general. a program providing "clean heroin" to people would not help at all. i dont understand how people think this type of program would work. ya, people might stop getting dope from the street, but in the end its all the same. your new drug dealer is the bomb, he will never rob you, give you short bags, cut your dope and he is always on time....because its a fucking place ran by the government! creating something like this would create alot of users as well as maybe help some from getting heroin off the street completely. think about it, i would LOVE to score some opiates right now, but because of where i live, there is no drugs of any kind in sight. but if some place gave out free doses of heroin, i would be high as a kite right now. |
Is that English and did you change your argument halfway through a sentence? Amazing, didn't know that could done.
maybe instead of talking to a drug message board you people should be talking to an NA group or a counselor.. just sayin'
and you all know exactly what i mean when i say "you people"
and you all know exactly what i mean when i say "you people"
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Originally Posted by vdbgti Quote:
Is that English and did you change your argument halfway through a sentence? Amazing, didn't know that could done. |
laiii does that all the time
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Originally Posted by notthecrochunter maybe instead of talking to a drug message board you people should be talking to an NA group or a counselor.. just sayin'
and you all know exactly what i mean when i say "you people" |
Maybe you should be doing something more productive than trolling in a thread about drugs. I have been clean for several months and attend meetings, I just find this whole "heroin maintenance" program very interesting.
lol at laiii, you little cunt. i typed from a phone so fuck you and your uber heady keyboard. i stated what i think the only drugs to use are, and that a program providing heroin would not work.
so interesting that you are probably feeling the itch right now.
Oxy's suck, then they changed them, now heroin suddenly became the cool thing to do in Alabama. One of the main reasons why I moved away from there. Dopeless Hope Fiends Unite! But I do wish all the best to anyone struggling with addiction, in any form. And I hope someone got a positive message from somewhere in this thread, and maybe with some experience, strength, and hope, everybody can wake up one day not being a slave to stupid drugs. I'm no saint and still get down, but being in a facility taught me that there's an invisible ( or very visible, ha ) line and when I cross that line, I abuse drugs and alcohol way too much. When I don't cross that line, I'm just having fun. This line isn't the same for everybody, and nor should it be. Anyway, I just hope that people realize that addicts/ alcoholics/ both are real people too, and to maybe just put yourself in someone else's shoes before you pass judgement on someone who is probably very similar to you. At least we love the same band and music, right?
Fun fact: I was in rehab with both a guy named Bill W. and a guy named Dr. Bob. You have to learn to laugh again, and I thought this was hilarious everyday for some reason.
Fun fact: I was in rehab with both a guy named Bill W. and a guy named Dr. Bob. You have to learn to laugh again, and I thought this was hilarious everyday for some reason.
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Originally Posted by vdbgti How would prescribed heroin have more potential for abuse than street heroin? Not to mention all the risk of copping, dealing with unsavory folk and receiving adulterated product is gone. Another good article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/5043766.stm |
This article actually makes me support the whole idea of Heroin maintenance. If it is closely regulated and people can only get it and shoot it up at specific sites that are monitored so there is no overdoses, this could really help people. The study in Germany was done on people who have tried the Methadone route and failed, so they were administered Heroin instead. The group of people who used Heroin were more successful than those on the Methadone program.
Again this is for people who have a huge problem and have tried everything else, such as junkies living out on the street. The program also slowly decreases your dose of Heroin, just like a normal maintenance program would. This could actually work.
I also think getting off Heroin is easier than Subs or Methadone due to the half life. I have never experienced Methadone withdrawl, but i have gone cold turkey off of dope and I would much rather have 2 weeks of hell than 6 months of withdrawals.
pretty sick keyboard...getting it wet will ruin it, no?
out of misery
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